https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/ids-nth-law-of-thermobviousness/
My reply:
[[CO2 in the planetary atmosphere has a temperature. CO2 emits radiation, even cold CO2 does. This emission of energy (cooling) happens as stated by the second law of thermodynamics. If this atmospheric CO2 is warmer than than the near absolute zero temperature background radiation of the universe, the planet surface will be warmer than it would be without the CO2 radiation. The radiation impinges on a surface capable of absorbing radiation, therefore energy must transfer. This fact applies even if the planet surface is already warmer than the CO2 itself — which in the case of earth’s atmosphere, it is. The simple energy transfer is independent of the temperature DIFFERENCE of the emitting and receiving object, the NET energy transfer is not.
[[Photons are time-frozen objects. It’s not like the emitted IR photons remember the temperature of the object they come from and the one they are going to in order to make some kind of absorption decision at the moment of interaction.]]
Sorry, heat is a flow of energy from a hotter to a colder object. There is no "net flow" of energy both ways. This flow doesn't depend on the method, whether conduction, convection, or radiation. This is required by Nature's ironclad Second Law of Thermodynamics. Too bad, the IPCC octopus pretends the Second Law doesn't apply to CO2 in order to push their global Marxist takeover attempt.
And yes, the photons themselves are just packets of energy, but the amount is dependent on the wavelength. It's the black body radiators that know precisely what photons are energetic enough to build up a receiving black body radiator to the exact same temperature, and the black body radiation curve of power vs. wavelength has a peak at which most of the photons are concentrated so that it can transmit heat energy by radiation. Heat is measured by what? Temperature. If a black body radiator emits its radiation onto a colder black body radiator, the latter will absorb the photons and slowly increase its temperature based on its heat capacity, but is itself radiating heat energy via its own black body radiation curve solely dependent on temperature independent of the material. When/if the two black bodies equalize temperatures, their radiation curves will also equalize, achieving equilibrium. The second black body can't keep raising its temperature higher than the first's. But not with the IPCC lie machine, which wants you to believe that while an iron rod chilled to -80C will cool anything it's in contact with down ultimately to -80C, this doesn't apply to CO2's "back radiation", whose photons are indistinguishable from the iron rod's main radiation.
The IPCC also denies the basis of the Second Law, namely, entropy. Only the surfaces of the Earth and Sun are black bodies that transfer energy in the form of heat. The atmosphere can only transmit the energy and maybe slow down its transmission with convection, evaporation, and precipitation while doing nothing to transmit its own energy in the form of heat anywhere. Of course the heat energy in gases is not in the internal energy density of solids and liquids which have chemical bonds, but in the kinetic energy of the bouncing molecules, with some molecules with the right electron dipoles able to capture and reemit individual photons at specific wavelengths, but never become a black body that can absorb and emit radiation at all wavelengths, after downshifting the emissions to satisfy entropy along a black body curve.
The biggest lie is to ignore or deny that energy transfer in the form of heat always increases entropy, which harmlessly disperses the energy into the heat death of the Universe, after which it can never cause heat or do work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(energy_dispersal)
"By definition, blackbody radiation is that radiation which produces the largest amount of entropy for a given quantity of energy." -
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01622-6
The IPCC wants you to believe that every solar photon that reaches the surface ends up being reemitted at a longer wavelength to preserve some mystical Sun-Earth energy balance, ignoring the obvious fact that some of the solar energy ends up moving air to create wind and storms, driving a heat engine that trades heat energy for work, thus increasing entropy. The IPCC scientists all decided to ignore that Nature article long ago because they're kept cage hens working for Marxist politician scammers.
Photons have no temperature, thus aren't heat. Do the photons from a colder black body radiator bounce off surface of a hotter black body, get absorbed and immediately spit out, or just get dispersed by entropy? Here's the best answer I've seen, using the concept of chemical potential:
/“Between two objects, one warmer and one cooler, the chemical potential increases in the intervening space as one ascends the energy gradient from cooler to warmer object. Thus photons from the cooler object will be subsumed before they ever reach the warmer object because warmer objects have higher energy density at all wavelengths than cooler objects.” -Hyperphysics Fails at Basic Science, Logic, Reasoning, and Math (https://climateofsophistry.com/2021/11/17/hyperphysics-fails-at-basic-science-logic-reasoning-and-math/)
So where does the 15 micron CO2 radiation go? It doesn't reach the top of the atmosphere, as NASA satellites confirm. But that doesn't imply that they raise Earth surface temperature, it only confirms entropy dispersal of their energy.
Here's my cool free essay giving the killer disproof of "net heat flow":
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-we-say-no-net-heat-flow-between-two-objects-of-different-temperatures-but-not-no-heat-flow/answer/TL-Winslow
In parting, I quote the Ego, er, Id again:
[[This is how knowing something vs believing something works. Everything in science must fit, or it needs to be reconsidered.]]
Do it then.
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